Why the World is Running Out of Pilots

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  • Wendover Productions
    Wendover Productions   1 years back

    Hey all, a few people have had some questions about the break-down of costs for a ATP License at the beginning of this video so I thought I’d try to clear things up and show a few sources for the different components.

    College Cost: I misplaced the original source that lines up exactly with $133k but this statistic is about the same accounting for yearly growth.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/238112/university-attendance-costs-in-the-united-states/

    Private Pilots License: I said $8,000 in the video based off a source’s estimate. Looking at a random selection of flight schools’ estimates it could be even a little higher. Many have also pointed out that the vast majority of individuals can only apply with 40 hours flight time (a small minority of US pilots are trained under Title 14 of federal code part 141 which allow them to apply with 35 hours.) While I was choosing to use the lowest numbers for training as to not sensationalize the cost numbers (it’s sensational enough as it is) I probably should have done the math for 40 hours (maybe even more as many need more hours to gain the skills needed) to get a more average estimate.
    $9,950: https://www.illinoisaviation.com/flight-training/private-pilot-141/
    $8,123: http://www.stcharlesflyingservice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/CostEstimateToAdvance.pdf
    $7944: http://www.flyhafc.com
    $9500: https://www.executiveflighttraining.com/Private_Pilot_License.html

    Instrument Rating: The way I presented this bit was definitely confusing. The $900 I mentioned was accounting for the ground training and then I wrapped the hours needed for an instrument rating into the additional hours needed for a commercial pilots license (215/210.)

    Commercial Pilots License: From the comments I’ve read nobody really disagrees with the estimate I put for the overall CPL cost but here’s the source I used anyways.
    $80,000: https://www.l3airlineacademy.com/us-career-programs/pilot-training-cost

    • Jeff Random
      Jeff Random  4 days back

      I heard that UC Berkeley will provide the plane and flight instructor if you take it as a course.
      Edit: You have to pay for fuel.

    • ty gamer
      ty gamer  4 days back

      @Donny Yario you should have taken the airforce route and you get an automatic commercial pilot license

    • ty gamer
      ty gamer  4 days back

      Just join the air force for a lot less.

    • Mujtaba Awan
      Mujtaba Awan  1 months back

      Wendover Productions they should make trains for inside america

    • Samantha Anders
      Samantha Anders  1 months back

      🔴 I heard many pilots who first start off are relying on Food Stamps to survive and in some countries who send student pilots here to America, force those pilots on Lifetime Contracts with tiny salaries for the first couple of years and flying with them are of course An Endangerment of Your Own Lives

  • The Tumans
    The Tumans  58 minutes back

    You have to pay them more, it's not that complicated.

    • Glynn Knox
      Glynn Knox  4 hours back

      MANAGEMENT: "The first astronaut was a chimpanzee, how hard can it be?" I retired Nov 2018 after 30 yrs airline work: 18 months AA Eagle 1988-1990, then MD80, 737, 757, 767 Intl, Airbus 319-320-321 Intl, EMB190), and there was some furlough time and during that period I got a Captain job in the CRJ200/700 = 4 yrs. Before the airline, there was the CFII and Charter for 3 yrs building time. I've seen a lot of changes in management, unions, training, and pilot attitude. While I wasn't always smiling on those long redeyes, I was still counting my blessings for having the best job in the world. While I started flying as a kid, PVT PLT at 17 yrs old, I had a tour in the Army Special Forces only to have my GIBill canceled before I left the Army (Thanks to Jimmy Carter), so I built time while I did 10 years in Law Enforcement. Being a Deputy you will see the lowest possible attitudes and the worst of the population. Keep that in mind while you're learning to fly, and teaching others to fly. POSITIVE ATTITUDE will get you farther in your career than anything else. Is a college degree mandatory? No. It's a "filter". I got hired without a degree. I did finish it during furlough, but the airlines used the college degree as a filter to reduce the number of applicants. They also may people pay an "application fee". Some made pilots pay for their own training after being hired. Most made up the training costs with substantially lower pay for the first and second years after being hired. AA Eagle started me at $1400 month (1988). I made $1800 month flight instructing (1985-1987) and $2000/month flying light twins (1987-1988). So that move to the airlines was a major pay cut. Capt at the Eagle was $29000/yr but first year on the MD80 was $24,000, 2nd yr $49,000. My last year at American (Capt AB321) was $302,000. So you can see things have changed. There is no "I" in TEAM, and the TEAM is everyone working at the airline. If the company makes money you keep your job. The TEAM is Management , Unions , Non-Unions, fuelers, baggage handlers, gate agents, dispatchers, training departments........ I'm retired now, and I was blessed to have the greatest job, a 2 and 3 man office with a window view of the universe, and a cabin full of people depending on the Team. Keep the pointed end forward and the rubber side down. Maintain a positive attitude. Good Luck. Tailwinds always with the sun to your back. Stay healthy and watch the booze.

      • Johnny Greeko
        Johnny Greeko  17 hours back

        Cuz Airliners are going bankrupt

        • Roger Wilco
          Roger Wilco  23 hours back

          From the airlines’ perspective pilots are almost like cows on a milk farm

          • Geo Jeff
            Geo Jeff  1 days back

            The new 797 might be the first single pilot aircraft. Game changer

            • Justin Russell
              Justin Russell  1 days back

              Moved to Tulsa Ok about 26 years ago to become a pilot. Began training flying out of Tulsa international airport. Started working for a small airline in operations while training. Soon learned the reality of what is discussed in this video.
              The cost of education, difficulty of gaining employment, and minimal income for many many years gave me good reason to transition to civil engineering and construction management. My income was much higher, with less difficulty in getting there, in a fairly and reasonable timeframe. At the time I predicted that trained skilled construction professionals would be in short supply and the income potential would be high. Today, as a skilled professional, we see incomes substantially higher than other professions. I now own and operate a fairly small general contracting company and have skilled workers at incomes of $200-350 per 8 hour day. To say the least I have seen, for some time now, an income well in the 6 figures. With all of that, we can expect skilled professions to continue to increase in salary costs. Otherwise we will certainly experience a shortage of many must needed services.

              • wafflemag
                wafflemag  2 days back

                The pay is far far too low considering the cost of training, high stress, and hectic lifestyle. Pilots should be starting rookie jobs at 80k a year and work up from there. But ive heard of some people making just over 20k a year while being corporate slaves and having to be a yes man.

                • Len
                  Len  2 days back

                  And soon to be replaced by a robot 🤔😳

                  • Jero Anonimous
                    Jero Anonimous  2 days back

                    Transport = the burdening cost that absolutely no one wants to pay for yet everyone expects their goods transported on time and with exceptional cost savings.

                    • Big Boi
                      Big Boi  2 days back

                      Oh the flying card his eyes arr yellow

                      • Antonio Amigo
                        Antonio Amigo  2 days back

                        this is just brutal.

                        • Yuurt
                          Yuurt  2 days back

                          At 8:28 I think you mean Willard Airport

                          • A S T H E T I C 1994
                            A S T H E T I C 1994  2 days back

                            more the fact that companies like Qantas want to flood the amount of people getting CPL's so they dont have to pay their pilots 300k a year to fly A380s and such

                            • E MTBR
                              E MTBR  2 days back

                              Why dont they lower the price of education and higher the salary of the pilots

                              • The Truth
                                The Truth  2 days back

                                Because is a boring job...

                                • Dustin Dawind
                                  Dustin Dawind  2 days back

                                  And this is why instead of flying for a career I work a boring but well paying desk job to fund my weekend flying addiction.

                                  • D Thomas
                                    D Thomas  2 days back

                                    there's no shortage of pilots; there's a shortage of airlines with common sense..the comments are right. imagine flight simmers being given credit for their sim hours + paid training/sign on bonuses. dream on.

                                    • Badself55
                                      Badself55  2 days back

                                      So you're telling me the airlines want pilots with college degrees, but they don't want to actually pay them to work long ass hours, because it would affect their precious bottom lines? They want ~smart people~ to make stupid life choices. I could not think of a more hilarious dilemma. How about--hear me out--make the career FUCKING WORTHWHILE. Honestly, I'd be happy with a $30k salary if it didn't come with crippling, lifelong debt. "Um, yeah, I'd like to pay you guys for the privilege of flying your planes." I hate to break it to y'all, but no career is worth paying for, even if you love it.

                                      • spacecadet35
                                        spacecadet35  3 days back

                                        The three main reasons that the world is running out of pilots.
                                        1) Airlines and the Air Force used to train pilots. Now you have to get a huge student loan to become a pilot.
                                        2) Airline don't actually want pilots anymore. They want "cockpit managers". Being a pilot has lost most of its glamour and is now on a par with bus driver as an occupation for most people.
                                        3) We are doing a lot more flights now days.

                                        • one eyed man
                                          one eyed man  3 days back

                                          That why they genetically engineer racoons to do the job.

                                          • Sn0wy
                                            Sn0wy  3 days back

                                            7:59 hovering plane???

                                            • GabeisGabe
                                              GabeisGabe  3 days back

                                              hey i spent like a quarter of my life, and spent 250k on education. how much is my pay?
                                              Airline: McCdonalds
                                              pilot: visible confusion

                                              • Keyser Soze
                                                Keyser Soze  3 days back

                                                If you can drive a Dodge Neon then you're more than qualified to operate a jet fighter.

                                                • hawkeye Zuni
                                                  hawkeye Zuni  3 days back

                                                  i would not feel safe women flying, its bad enough they try kill you on the road

                                                  • hawkeye Zuni
                                                    hawkeye Zuni  16 hours back

                                                    @Shaheer Khan LOL coming from a Pakistani hahaha women have no rights in your country isn't that right?

                                                  • Shaheer Khan
                                                    Shaheer Khan  18 hours back

                                                    Woah

                                                • Hyron Harrison
                                                  Hyron Harrison  3 days back

                                                  You guys aren't understanding the logistics of air travel is so penny pincher. They cut whole routes for losing them cents; I want better pay for pilots as well, but first lets make the airlines more profitable or they'll start charging it to the consumer, or cutting jobs!

                                                  • Brian H
                                                    Brian H  3 days back

                                                    I'll agree that the airlines are solely driven by profit and therefore pure economic discussion is sufficient to give a satisfactory explanation for airlines behavior.

                                                    • overkill1340
                                                      overkill1340  3 days back

                                                      People always ask me why I'm not a pilot when they find out I have a private licence. Perhaps I should direct them to this video. I spent 2 months at a driving school and around $800 and got a job driving transport trucks for 50k CAD per year.

                                                      • Chew Chew Train
                                                        Chew Chew Train  3 days back

                                                        PRIVATE PILOT'S LICENSE cost will come down dramatically when electric planes become available as small trainers. It's the cost of aircraft maintenance that keeps getting flight time expensive.

                                                        • Bill Weeks
                                                          Bill Weeks  3 days back

                                                          Yet the CEO's, board members, and upper management will still earn multi-million dollar pay and compensation packages. Not saying they should work for free but for half that pay they will still enjoy a lavish lifestyle and could increase they pay for the pilots. I've seen this far too many times when "focusing on the bottom line". If they focused on passenger safety, comfort, and equipment reliability they would, in time, increase their share price. Take out every 8th row of seats and increase passenger leg room. Yours would be the first choice of all flyers then. Less passengers = less weight = less fuel. Less passengers = less luggage = more space for higher paying cargo and mail. Less passengers = less work for the flight crew, quicker boarding times, and less passenger discomfort. I have been flying nationally and internationally since 1990. The biggest problem with passenger comfort and delays is us. We, the passengers. And that no airline enforces the carry-on size/ qty limit. Just because your huge suitcase has wheels and a handle does not make it a carry-on. And airlines need to change their boarding procedures as well. Always board the back of the plane first. Then nobody is in each others way. And, pay attention passengers, do not put your carry-on above someone else's seat. I have seen a person put their bags in first class and go to the back of the plane. And stop serving drinks to first class while boarding. I can wait until we're in the air. I'm not going to die because I didn't get that champagne as soon as I sat down just so I can show off to those in economy as they pass by. Final thought; Stop obsessing about the stock price. Focus on your customer and the dollars will come.

                                                          • Mystic Wolf
                                                            Mystic Wolf  3 days back

                                                            Pilot courses are expensive as shit and when they become pilots they get paid little. That’s why no one wants to be a pilot.

                                                            • DrSmallarms
                                                              DrSmallarms  3 days back

                                                              I recently talked to a relative of mine who is pilot for Air Canada. He told me the average pilot just starting makes about $58,000 per year but after a few years the same pilot can work there way up to Captain and then make approx $160,000 a year. So according to my relative it’s still a good paying job.

                                                              • Valtonics
                                                                Valtonics  9 hours back

                                                                DrSmallarms what airline does he fly

                                                            • warrior 1972
                                                              warrior 1972  3 days back

                                                              commercial bus driver--big deal!

                                                              • Sidney Mathious
                                                                Sidney Mathious  3 days back

                                                                The job of a pilot is one which can't be taken over by a computer, and the same can be said for stewards/stewardesses as well.

                                                                • want2seeall
                                                                  want2seeall  3 days back

                                                                  Ha. It's the same as me working in a shit plant.

                                                                  • WHATEVER GOES FOR ME
                                                                    WHATEVER GOES FOR ME  3 days back

                                                                    Wow, can't believe the salary is almost the same as a fast food worker? I do understand the cost of education just like in medicine, but pilots do earn a lot more than fast food workers.

                                                                    • amani mdami
                                                                      amani mdami  3 days back

                                                                      america and europe are the poorest places for workers

                                                                      • Daniel V
                                                                        Daniel V  3 days back

                                                                        How did he not mention joining the US Air Force for say, 8 years and then getting an airline job? While difficult, it's the cheapest way.

                                                                        • Black shadow
                                                                          Black shadow  3 days back

                                                                          Question what's sleep?

                                                                          • Ayranochfan1
                                                                            Ayranochfan1  3 days back

                                                                            Ow no pilots have to live to standards of everybody else like paying rent, travel to work and to paper work

                                                                            • peresso _
                                                                              peresso _  12 hours back

                                                                              Yes because everyone spent 100k and thousands of hours training yes yes

                                                                          • Brian Henry
                                                                            Brian Henry  4 days back

                                                                            This video is RIGHT ON THE MONEY - 100% accurate!👍👍👍

                                                                            • howard grim
                                                                              howard grim  4 days back

                                                                              What world do you live in? $900 for a instrument rating? How about 4-5k.

                                                                              • Soeren Hartwigsen
                                                                                Soeren Hartwigsen  4 days back

                                                                                I just got a European Flight Academey Ad before this. How fitting

                                                                                • Sanuku
                                                                                  Sanuku  4 days back

                                                                                  Its bold of you to assume I pay for college.
                                                                                  I live in europe
                                                                                  We are not idiots to get money from spreading knowledge.

                                                                                  • cat22planes
                                                                                    cat22planes  4 days back

                                                                                    Pilots are allowed to fly, for employment purposes, 1,000 hrs a year.

                                                                                    • Mairon Mairon
                                                                                      Mairon Mairon  4 days back

                                                                                      FUCK IT I will not be Pilot anymore

                                                                                      • Moose Bme
                                                                                        Moose Bme  4 days back

                                                                                        So... another: Be the best, spend a lot of time, money, life... to be a debt slave (job).

                                                                                        • Rataldo
                                                                                          Rataldo  4 days back

                                                                                          then why im still unemployed and every place i have applied always says they are NOT HIRING!!!!