Was madness always Daenerys's fate? | 'Game of Thrones' Season 8 Episode 5

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  • Stylezz iR
    Stylezz iR  4 months back

    I think Daenerys lost too much. As soon as she helped John snow aka her nephew she started to loose and watch good friends of hers die as well as her dragons. Was she destined to be a mad ruler like her father? Maybe. I think in the end. The amount of lost and blood shed got to her. And she wanted to make damn sure the Lannister’s would never see power again.

    • Chris
      Chris  5 months back

      the lesson of game of thrones: women cant handle positions of power. so much for your feminist fantasy HAHA

      • Pati Iowa
        Pati Iowa  5 months back

        This is a Greek tragedy of the first order. In the very first episode we learn about Jamie & Cercie are lovers, and twin siblings, and Bran is shoved out a high tower window. Daeneys death is no more shocking and actually better foreshadowed than Ned Starks was, or Caitlyn & Robbs death at the Red Wedding...or the poisoning of Joffrey. The writers were able to end this saga, when Martin has not been able to.

        • AD
          AD  5 months back

          Its funny watching this now

          • Kathryn Molesa
            Kathryn Molesa  5 months back

            Well, Danny can't marry her nephew John. So why not burn the town to a crisp? Logical.
            Yes, it is sarcasm.

            • Rogue-Spear
              Rogue-Spear  5 months back

              Bran will be King.

              • Seen 20
                Seen 20  5 months back

                See. I told you the people would warm up to her.

                • TheDamsel
                  TheDamsel  5 months back

                  GoT has always been evil...I knew it but ignored my intuition. I’m glad the writers reminded me how diabolical they are and that I had no business watching the series in the first place. I REPENT, Father.

                  • rayluc100
                    rayluc100  5 months back

                    My predictions/humor/Spoof for GOT finale and thereafter;

                    Dany mirrors the "Mad King"...She's slain by Jon, goes to hell where she regularly plays pinnacle with Mad King,
                    Gregor, Sandor and the Night King.

                    Bran...When you think about it Bran is the perfect king to rule because
                    he knows and sees all. With Bran surrounded by wise counsel the 7 kingdoms may
                    finally find peace...(GRRM you can come out from under your bed now (where
                    you've been cringing all season).

                    Jon will "Take the black", move North and re-unite with
                    Ghost.  Jon will later enter and win the Iditarod with his team of dire
                    wolves. 

                    Arya will leave KL, and wander the 7 Seven Kingdoms (*see Gendry below).

                    Sansa will rule Winterfell, marry a red haired Wildling and start her
                    own "Farkle Family" (google it)

                    Torman will marry, have 16 children with Brien and open a martial arts
                    academy.

                    Grey Worm, and Unsullied will leave KL to follow Dany's wishes to
                    release slaves around the world.  He will later die of a heart attack
                    while trying to have sex with a football.

                    Dothraki and Drogon will go back to the grasslands and open a chain of
                    BBQ restaurants specializing in "Dragon roasted mutton".

                    Bron will serve as adviser to the king, and later open a string of
                    brothels in all seven kingdoms.

                    Jaime and Cersei having survived collapsed building will paddle their
                    way to Essos, where they open a chiropractic clinic & New Age Healing Center.

                    Samwell becomes Head Meister, and curator of what will later be known as
                    the Vatican Library. 

                    Gendry will rule Storm's End, with occasional conjugal visits from Arya.


                    Good Night GOT...

                    Rayluc

                    • Ginger
                      Ginger  5 months back

                      Missed season 4 brans vision

                      • Katherine Perez
                        Katherine Perez  5 months back

                        Danny didn't go "mad queen" Everything she did is justified. She lost a dragon. 3/4 of her dothraki khalasar along with her beloved & most loyal ser jorah all defending the North but they still didn't trust her. John that obviously 'knos nothing' revealed his true identity leading to her trusted advisors conspiring against her. Her last loyal advisor and best friend missandei was beheaded. Her hand being Tyrion was screwing up a whole lot even going as far as revealing things behind her back. She had no option but to make them all fear her since her mercy has made her loose so much in westeros mercy became her weakness.

                        • Do Bap
                          Do Bap  5 months back

                          Answer: Yes.

                          But that doesnt mean they can ignore basic character progression and development.

                          • Do Bap
                            Do Bap  5 months back

                            TheJevardo not denying that, but theres no reason to suggest she would do this. If I remember correctly, those were not innocent people, who stole her dragons.

                            I like the story, its just told so badly. We need more than 15 minutes if development after she finds out the truth about Jon (arguably the beginning of her madness), between her acting reasonable, and doing this. Having 10 episodes of season 8, and allowing certain situations and character arcs to fully flesh out would have solved everything wrong.

                          • TheJevardo
                            TheJevardo  5 months back

                            Do Bap she sacked Quarth and killed everyone there, she was always capable of this, you just chose to ignore it.

                        • Ivan J
                          Ivan J  5 months back

                          well done writers loved this episode.

                          • Mike Barrett
                            Mike Barrett  5 months back

                            Get rid of the “top news” section in search results. Let the algorithm work for all just the same. The common people on YouTube have just as much right to be on top of search and have but out far better content.

                            • Dieter другliever
                              Dieter другliever  5 months back

                              GoT is and always has been the sensationalist side of garbage. Loved by people who think they are too good to like high fantasy but not too good to love the smell of their own farts. Writer is lazy hack and showwriters were just chasing the almighty dollar.

                              • Michele
                                Michele  5 months back

                                Stop saying its ash. Clearly its snowing for sobbing out loud.

                                • Turban Cat Mccoy
                                  Turban Cat Mccoy  5 months back

                                  After the last episode, how can it be anything but ash? Or are you being internet sarcastic?

                              • Pat Downs
                                Pat Downs  5 months back

                                Interesting to do a frame by frame analysis of Daenerys' face at the beginning of this. Struggle/horror... then close to tears... then determination ... then surrender to madness. Then the "I'll show the bastards who's queen around here" expression as she takes off. Very good acting from Clarke. I would guess the last episode will open with Dany's face so we can see what to expect at the end. Is she repentant? Resigned? Still angry? Still insane? Whatever that first scene shows us is what will be dealt with in the finale. Dany is now (as if she wasn't always) the central character. What would be really interesting is if she dies early and something totally unexpected happens. It's sort of been set up that way because now every viewer hates her. Writers were very intent on making sure that's the way we would feel.

                                • Dinah Charles
                                  Dinah Charles  5 months back

                                  Remember the many evil things Cersei did including burning up people and her monster son and the things he did to women. The fans deserved to see her die brutally yet they ended her by showing a loving scene with her brother/lover before they were crushed yet some people hating Daenerys.

                                  • Sajid Choudhury
                                    Sajid Choudhury  5 months back

                                    I think Danny's dark twist plotline makes sense. Showrunners rushed too much. Missandei should have been kept as a hostage by Cersei till the last moment. And after Danny obliterates the scorpions and Lannister defeat is imminent, Missandei could have been killed, that would push Danny off the edge of sanity. Also, one Rhaegal could have been killed this episode at the start of the battle, rather the stupid sneak attack in episode 804.


                                    I just feel like the showrunners are bored with the show, and want to finish it off as quickly as possible.

                                    • James Boogle
                                      James Boogle  5 months back

                                      Awesome episode. Who didn't see this meltdown coming? Apparently a handful of crybabies who thought she was actually going to save society and give the people 'democratic socialism'. She is a sociopath. A manipulator. Only wants power like her old man. Top 5 episodes of the whole series.

                                      • Gum Disease
                                        Gum Disease  5 months back

                                        I thought Bran could only see the past?

                                        • J Hova
                                          J Hova  5 months back

                                          I saw this coming, granted D&D suck at writing. But everyone she took advise from except old lady tyrell wanted her to be nice and lovable. But in truth you rule with a iron fist. All the OG characters understood this. Hell its the same In the real world

                                          • J Hova
                                            J Hova  5 months back

                                            Quick someone call the fire department

                                            • Promethean
                                              Promethean  5 months back

                                              No, bad writing was Dany's fate.

                                              • Cody Bennett
                                                Cody Bennett  5 months back

                                                If you can’t Believe that Dany would do that well you haven’t been paying attention.

                                                • Maynard Runkle
                                                  Maynard Runkle  5 months back

                                                  So many sad because Danerys was not a Robin Hood in pig tails. Get over it. People who seek power are often insane or are made insane by the quest. The writers did not give us a fairy tale ending - "and they lived happily ever after." It is not lazy writing - it is creative writing.
                                                  Compare it to the USA saving the world from tyranny in WW II and then resorting to tactics that the Nazis practiced and sometimes pioneered - indefinite incarceration without trials, mind control, assassinations, false flags, raining death from the sky on innocent people, becoming best allies with thieves and murderers who took over an already occupied land.
                                                  In other words, forces for good often turn evil instead.

                                                  • Dreymon Green
                                                    Dreymon Green  5 months back

                                                    lol starts out normal and mutates into an Alex Jones rant

                                                • rjangel80
                                                  rjangel80  5 months back

                                                  the writers put the idea that "there were signs all along" to cover up this ****-fest of a last season. Danny never killed innocent people. yes she is entitled and expects the soldiers (mind you, never civilians) to either obey or die as this is war ! If that is the case, everyone in GOT is a mad queen. She kills either for disobedience or if the character has personally tortured her or others (Her brother, the slave owner). And she was calmly waiting for the ringing of the bells to close it all. This BS about seeing the red keep drove her over the edge? - Like she didnt see the red keep all the while she was flying everywhere? DUMB ! I understand that is how george R martin has plotted the book. But for god sakes the writers need to give the writing some credibility. Not give an BS explanation in where Danny suddenly looses it. Arrrghhhhhhhhhhh I am too invested in a TV series lol

                                                  • hawksasuke97
                                                    hawksasuke97  5 months back

                                                    Illogical People: “The signs were there all along. YoU jUsT dIDn’T sEE tHEm!”

                                                    Rational People: Aware that brutality and insanity are not synonymous, otherwise Tywin Lannister would have been the Mad Hand of the King. Aware that gray characters are not destined to go dark in the end. Aware that they also made you think the “prince that was promised” was a thing or that the Night King had a purpose.

                                                    • TheLonelyWolf Who Howls Alone At The Moon
                                                      TheLonelyWolf Who Howls Alone At The Moon  5 months back

                                                      U have a great point but this was always her ending there was never and ending in which she won without fear jon has the people if she tried to rule fairly eventually it would have been a revolt with jon taking the throne the people dont love in fact they hate her cuz they are scared of her she knew this she knew she could never be the queen she could only be a conquer remember what (i forgot his name but her lover in estoos) said u dont rule by politics u are a conqueror thats all she has ever been she was never gonna be the savior of these people the queen everyone wanted her to be

                                                  • rjangel80
                                                    rjangel80  5 months back

                                                    Drogon will be the green eyes :( my poor baby.. after saving so many people (and killing so many) its not your fault, you cute oversized lizard, you ...

                                                    • arnold traore
                                                      arnold traore  5 months back

                                                      drogon won't die don't worry, he will fly away with dany's dead body

                                                  • Warmaker01
                                                    Warmaker01  5 months back

                                                    Daenerys is getting sabotaged by the awful story the same way Stannis Baratheon got thrown under the bus with highly uncharacteristic actions.

                                                    • Io
                                                      Io  5 months back

                                                      Hm, so you think you know better than the creatores of Daenerys and stannis?
                                                      Do you get the Sarcasm?

                                                  • J O'Neil
                                                    J O'Neil  5 months back

                                                    Die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.

                                                    • Ultimate Powa
                                                      Ultimate Powa  5 months back

                                                      You know it's Wight Walkers, not White Walkers right?

                                                      • An Smith
                                                        An Smith  5 months back

                                                        Writers are idiots. The end.

                                                        • RMosack
                                                          RMosack  5 months back

                                                          Epic fail by the writers. Dany exhibited brutal response to others' brutality over the years. They showed her protect herself and protect her people, often violently. But it was always a response of some kind. Never, ever "just because". She killed the wizard in the house of undying to protect herself and her dragons. She killed the khals to escape rape and imprisonment. She crucified the slave masters because they crucified children. She killed the Unsullied slave masters because they were POS that cut the junk off little boys. Burnt the Tarleys because they wouldn't bend the knee and acknowledge her rule. Now, out of the blue, after the bells ring to signify surrender, she goes Ted Bundy and mass murders a city? Puhleeze!

                                                          • RMosack
                                                            RMosack  5 months back

                                                            @Summer Tyme D&D aren't competent storytellers. The show did NOTHING to lay the character arc groundwork for Dany to become an insane mass murderer. Dumb & Dumber rushed seasons 7 and 8 and failed miserably without Martin's books to guide them. Hacks.

                                                          • Summer Tyme
                                                            Summer Tyme  5 months back

                                                            Exactly, no one buys this as a character development esp. because it is completely obvious that it is meant to justify the killing of her character so that Jon Snowflake can be the shows hero, and “win”.... whatever that means in this long ago thematically butchered narrative.

                                                        • Lightswitch
                                                          Lightswitch  5 months back

                                                          Maybe not but as soon as the show caught up to the books her fate was definitely bad writing.........

                                                          • Above All, United
                                                            Above All, United  5 months back

                                                            All the scorpions were destroyed just as they were about to fire. Game of cheese

                                                            • Summer Tyme
                                                              Summer Tyme  5 months back

                                                              It’s not like they were prepared to be attacked from the sky by a dragon.

                                                              Oh wait....

                                                          • Sam Luo
                                                            Sam Luo  5 months back

                                                            Seriously I'm surprised anybody is shocked by this. I mean she is her father's daughter after all. It was foreshadowed when she burned the Tarlys.

                                                            • Cristy G
                                                              Cristy G  5 months back

                                                              A Targaryen alone in the world is not a good thing (Aemon). The game does not matter anymore, even ruling the 7 kingdoms.

                                                              • Brian Camilleri
                                                                Brian Camilleri  5 months back

                                                                You can foreshadow all you want but if the execution is garbage and you cram reversing 7 seasons of a beloved character ark into 3 episodes it’s going to suck.

                                                                • Summer Tyme
                                                                  Summer Tyme  5 months back

                                                                  Exactly. Hence the developments are not believable and are effectively being retconned.

                                                              • LoneWolf Ranger
                                                                LoneWolf Ranger  5 months back

                                                                No. It wasn’t set up at all.

                                                                • Tim Gooding
                                                                  Tim Gooding  5 months back

                                                                  I like how you pretend this is intelligent viewing. It used to be.

                                                                  • Xenon Doro
                                                                    Xenon Doro  5 months back

                                                                    It's just poor writing imho. Dany was always this character with a good heart thrown into the most violent part of the world and the books were full of subtleties about the differences between Essos and Westeros. Acting Westerosi in Essos was weak but acting Essosi looked like madness in the eyes of a Westerosi. That was always Dany's dilemma. Now I can believe that in the books her actions may seem mad in the eyes of Westerosi because she's been trained to be brutal by the ruthless people in Essos. But her becoming full crazy destroys everything GRRM has established with this character so far. Her Mereen storyline on the show proved that D&D have no clue what the author was going for. This turn of events is just disappointing from a storywriting point of view but she's hardly the only one who got the short stick. Night King, Jaime, Cersei, everything that happened in Essos, the religions and their gods... all of that was thrown to trash. None of it mattered and no character progression was respected. Instead we got tacky confrontations like Cleganebowl.

                                                                    • Box
                                                                      Box  5 months back

                                                                      So instead of going straight after the Mountain and Cersei, the ones who literally killed her best friend, she kills millions of innocent people and lets Cersei be one of the last ones to die, by rubble?

                                                                      How does that make sense ?

                                                                      • Summer Tyme
                                                                        Summer Tyme  5 months back

                                                                        And in doing so, guarantees her own destruction, making her act a pure form of insanity.

                                                                    • jwahh
                                                                      jwahh  5 months back

                                                                      Death rides a pale horse.

                                                                      • Monét Williams
                                                                        Monét Williams  5 months back

                                                                        The bells rung, they surrendered and she still decides to kills all of those innocent people. She really has become the mad queen.

                                                                        • Summer Tyme
                                                                          Summer Tyme  5 months back

                                                                          She is suffering from D&D - dumb and dumber. It’s a terminal illness.

                                                                      • Pax Huynh
                                                                        Pax Huynh  5 months back

                                                                        Dany kills Jon, Arya kills Dany, Tyrion becomes King as he is next in-line after Cersei and Jaime are dead...

                                                                        • ThizzleMeTimbrs
                                                                          ThizzleMeTimbrs  5 months back

                                                                          jon kills danny. arya kills the night king again . robyn aryn becomes king ! the truest and the nobelist . (p.s. one of these are true)

                                                                      • Jonathan C
                                                                        Jonathan C  5 months back

                                                                        Dany was always a bit of a narcissist--bend the knee and all that. When she did not get the love and her claim to the throne was threatened, she decided to send a message--defy me and you will be barbecue. Makes sense to me.

                                                                        • ninethreefivesix
                                                                          ninethreefivesix  5 months back

                                                                          This is what's most likely going to happen in the books too. Yes, Dany was always going to become the mad queen.

                                                                          • Summer Tyme
                                                                            Summer Tyme  5 months back

                                                                            GRRM stopped writing for this show for a reason. He is never going to write a book that simply repeats the poorly received garbage ending of GOT.

                                                                            If a character is driven mad...he will methodically demonstrate such. He isn’t going to end the long night, in 1 chapter. Please!

                                                                            And it is inconceivable that he will repeat the litany of idiotic choices that led the characters by the nose to their doom.

                                                                            -> Tyrion - > lets go north to capture a zombie to bring back to queen Cersei!

                                                                            -> Tyrion - we are being attacked by the undead....so let’s all hide in the crypts!

                                                                            GRRM - Yeah that’s it D&D good stuff! Hahahahahaha! My book, fixing all ur dum ixsht, is going to sell millions!