Game of Thrones Postmortem – How it could go so wrong, so fast Explained

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  • Published: 20 May 2019
  • May 19th of 2019 saw the release of the final episode of Game of Thrones, concluding its eight season run. Even without going into spoilers, we can safely say it did NOT go out on a high note. On the contrary, not just the final episode, but the entire final season, may be among the most disappointing and least satisfying series endings of all time.

    In this postmortem, @AndreEinherjar will explore how even before they ran out of books to adapt, George RR Martin’s writing style provided challenges for both himself and the showrunners, and how the decisions made in concluding the series turned disastrous, Before rounding out with what this could mean for the future spinoffs, one of which is already filming.


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  • Katherine Ann
    Katherine Ann  2 months back

    I think what's so sad about it for me is that I don't even feel any desire to rewatch the show ever again, not even the earlier seasons that I loved. Knowing how it all ends...it spoils the entire show for me. I cannot even begin to describe how empty I felt after watching the final episode. I felt like I wasted ten years of my life watching the characters grow and the story develop, only for it all to end like THAT. Easily one of the biggest disappointments of my life. I know I for one don't give a shit about the spinoffs, and somehow I doubt they're going to be as successful as everyone is counting on. It's just such a goddamn shame.

    • Josh Neito
      Josh Neito  2 months back

      Yea cause the way he writes and the twist and turns he does was the ultimate downfall of it all

      • stilldownwiththemutantunderground

        Not entirely relevant, but any actor, producer, or casting director who takes part in a project where a character is supposed to have a Scandinavian accent should be forced to subscribe to this channel. I'm a native Swede myself, yet this is a better more authentic accent than even I could do.

      • Gaudia Certaminis
        Gaudia Certaminis  2 months back

        I watched up to, and including, Season 6 to watch Ramsey Bolton get his comeuppance and see what happened to Jon Snow, but gave up after that. Once you start resurrecting characters, what’s the point? There are no longer any meaningful stakes. It’s one of the reasons I stopped watching Heroes.

        • Aaren J
          Aaren J  3 months back

          what's an eye-ron throne?

          • PlasmaPower
            PlasmaPower  3 months back

            I might as well just stick to the books if I ever wanted to find out about the story...

            • Michael D
              Michael D  3 months back

              Honestly, the stupidest part of all this is that they get away with excuse of "My job is hard." . . . . No, it's truly not.

              • Sean Cartaya
                Sean Cartaya  3 months back

                While I mostly agree with your points, and the final season as a whole was terrible, I must disagree that every episode of the last season was worse than the last. Personally, I think the second episode was one of the best of the whole series, and maybe my favorite! It was the one bright spot in season 8.

                • Phil Giles
                  Phil Giles  4 months back

                  It would be great if they would redo...say 6-8 the right way. I would pay to watch a good remake.

                  • Robert Charles
                    Robert Charles  4 months back

                    You are mistaken the bottom line is the COST of keeping the actors and yes it was a kings ransom as it was to do another season was not possible 🤗🤗🤗😃😃😃😎😎😎

                    • RL Barnes
                      RL Barnes  4 months back

                      But D&D were good show runners, just not writers... right?

                      • BrianRDub
                        BrianRDub  4 months back

                        I don't know how the writers live with themselves after this epic F up!?!? If they think the way they ended it was fine, then their careers will end soon enough. If they know they ended it very badly but don't care, their careers will end soon enough. Their futures depend on paying viewers. How stupid can they be? The evidence throughout at least half of seasons 7 and all of season 8 PLUS nearly unanimous concensus from viewers suggest they are about as stupid as stupid can get. They must think the paying audience are just dummies with money. What a waste! Sad for the actors, especially the ones who got big from GOT. Some may have been done with it but really who matters? Its called the entertainment business, right? That means we are supposed to matter. I guess we don't anymore. Like patients don't matter to some doctors. In it for the money and prestige. But I digress. I applaud HBO for trying to get them to go 10 seasons.

                        • Dianne Dowler
                          Dianne Dowler  4 months back

                          You said it right. Couldn’t agree more.

                          • Kenabi San
                            Kenabi San  4 months back

                            I wanted to buy all seasons on itunes until i saw the finale. Now i wont even watch the next star wars movie bc of this dumbfks.

                            • The Dawn of Vanlife
                              The Dawn of Vanlife  4 months back

                              It's interesting how much better YouTubers understand story arc then the stories writers.

                              • HuntingViolets
                                HuntingViolets  4 months back

                                A Storm of Swords, not Shadows.

                                • d21rich
                                  d21rich  4 months back

                                  I had every episode on my pc, don't ask how, and I've deleted it because I'll never start it again. Now I know that the journey ends so badly why bother starting it again?
                                  Deadwood and The Sopranos on the other hand? I've watched them both multiple times over the years.
                                  GoT? Died a few weeks ago.

                                  • Andrew
                                    Andrew  4 months back

                                    Pretty much everyone has the same opinion about the final season. It was rushed, and it sucked.

                                    • Shannon Reynolds
                                      Shannon Reynolds  4 months back

                                      Go to The Dragon Demands and hear what he has to say. He has actual quotes and things the directors said about the unrealistic expectations of filming episodes, lack of their writing and placing non verbal cues, emoting faces and facial expressions in place of actual writing.

                                      But, d&d are all like "Boats and Hoes" as they have basically disappeared.

                                      • Shannon Reynolds
                                        Shannon Reynolds  4 months back

                                        You forgot the conventions he went to and cameos on Z Nation and Sharknado while editing a couple of series of short stories. I will say that d&d and Martin did have a falling out and he became less and less involved. They got lazy because they wanted to move on SW and we all know it. Even some of the actors had a hard time figuring out why their characters would do some of the things they were doing.

                                        It came down to Friedman aka Benioff being a perv and gender swapping many characters, having sex, rape and full frontal nudity for sake of representing the perv population and this is what he has been quoted as saying.

                                        They didn't just "subvert" expectations, they completely ignored the story altogether.

                                        • Nick Molnar
                                          Nick Molnar  4 months back

                                          The intro looks like despicable me

                                          • Messiah de jude
                                            Messiah de jude  4 months back

                                            I'm personally insulted by having to see the two morons' smirking faces

                                            • coolbanana165
                                              coolbanana165  4 months back

                                              So basically the creators gave up and rushed it after they were offered a Star War trilogy? And HBO let them and screwed themselves?

                                              • Sai vamshi
                                                Sai vamshi  4 months back

                                                Everytime D&D write a script, gods flip a coin and the audience hold their breath.

                                              • Ookami
                                                Ookami  4 months back

                                                Nah the issues seem to have been:
                                                -That they wanted to finish and move on (this is why we now have teleportation and things like daenerys flipping out without a believable transition/buildup)
                                                -That and the absolutely lazy writing with not an ounce of constructive thought put into the scenes (in episode 3: no ditches dug, Trebuchets placed in front of the army and walls...etc)
                                                -As well as prioritizing visuals over logic on the most fundamental levels (Episode 3: sending dothraki cavalry to on a frontal charge, any of the main characters on the front line surviving the undead charge/tidal wave, the army being in front of the walls to begin with, realism was thrown down the window in favor of making the preparations for battle look more epic and spread out, it just looked stupid and went against the points that GoT was loved for)

                                                There is no excuse for any of this, the last season is neglected on the most basic and fundamental elements of storytelling, this indicates one of three things:
                                                1 Complete and utter incompetence on multiple fronts.
                                                2 THEY DIDN"T CARE AND WANTED TO MOVE ON.
                                                3 1+2.
                                                I'm for 3 personally.

                                                • Radioactive Dick
                                                  Radioactive Dick  4 months back

                                                  8:48 A Storm of Shadows? You mean a Storm of Swords right?

                                                  • mattwho81
                                                    mattwho81  4 months back

                                                    So sad, this Series could have stood as one of the great TV triumphs of the century. Now it will be one more disappointment.

                                                    • ajax201
                                                      ajax201  4 months back

                                                      This signature petition is pointless. When has this ever worked? What about all the actors whos contract is now over? How would they return? What a pointless endevour

                                                      • SammySamuelSam
                                                        SammySamuelSam  4 months back

                                                        Imagine now how D&D are going to approach to the old republic in their Star Wars trilogy.

                                                        Keep your hand away from Bastila, you suckers!

                                                        • Exedo
                                                          Exedo  4 months back

                                                          I'm just hoping on Game if Thrones: Brotherhood

                                                          • Harry Duncan
                                                            Harry Duncan  4 months back

                                                            "The Dragon Demands" Does a far more comprehensive look at how these last few seasons of train wrecks happened.

                                                            • Peter Stark
                                                              Peter Stark  4 months back

                                                              Well star wars will expise how sht writers thay are

                                                              • Andre Montoya
                                                                Andre Montoya  4 months back

                                                                I disagree with your assessment that the episodes got progressively Worse. I thought the 2nd episode of the season was better than the 1st, and then it started going downhill

                                                                • Anjelica Snorcket
                                                                  Anjelica Snorcket  4 months back

                                                                  Andre Montoya That's because D&D didn't write the second episode.

                                                              • Old Man Xanditz
                                                                Old Man Xanditz  4 months back

                                                                I believe that you're 100% right. I felt EXACTLY the same way.

                                                                • 54markl
                                                                  54markl  4 months back

                                                                  Benioff and Weiss, Caligula And Nero gave the Roman masses Meaningless Bloody Spectacle to entertain them. But in their insanity and hubris, they arrogantly Thumbs Downed all of the most Beloved Gladiators, giving them a pointless and demeaning death. Then the Praetorian Guards killed them! YOOOOU!!!☠️

                                                                  • ra
                                                                    ra  4 months back

                                                                    There are literally thousands of videos on this subject. And all of them try to stretch the content making so many reasons which might or might not be true. It seems to me that the show writers were just in a hurry to finish it and that's it. There were no issues or problems they could have hired 100 people to help them they just wanted to finish it. They are scumbags to be honest

                                                                    • Summer Tyme
                                                                      Summer Tyme  4 months back

                                                                      Correct. They are like CEO’s that pump and dump their own stock. They built their reputations on GRRM’s back. When they ran out of material, they took their reputation and moved on to Star Wars, and left the wreckage of their show behind.

                                                                  • 54markl
                                                                    54markl  4 months back

                                                                    Now the truth is out. Benioff and Weiss were bored with Game of Thrones. They wanted to do “Confederate,” a stupid idea that HBO wisely scuttled. HBO threatened to replace Benioff and Weiss with new show-runners if they didn’t do Season Eight. D&D sullenly complied and did a horrendous bored rush-job, ruining the ending of Game of Thrones in a sloppy and soulless way. HBO, you should have replaced them and had ten seasons. Disney, I am going to really enjoy seeing what happens to your Star Wars movies at D$D’s worthless hands. You deserve it! What do those Emmies mean now?

                                                                    • Anthony Deakin
                                                                      Anthony Deakin  4 months back

                                                                      Thats me done with anything GOT, prequels, nah, not bothered.

                                                                      • riaan de Bruyn
                                                                        riaan de Bruyn  4 months back

                                                                        Already threw away my entire DVD collection.....

                                                                        • Jo tun
                                                                          Jo tun  4 months back

                                                                          It seems rather obvious to me that after one visit too much with Kathleen Kennedy they got the "Go" for their own Star Wars trilogy and from then on only wanted to finish GoT as fast as possible. They ran into the Lost problem: Too many open questions and no balls to simply lead the storylines of the characters to their logical conclusions. In the end they combined The Last Jedi with Lost and took the worst lessons of that to make the last seasons.

                                                                          Talking from my roleplaying experiences - and I am a character first person here - the simple secret to lead story arcs to their ends is simply to apply pressure to the characters and let their actions drive the plot. Story will happen; it is like magic. This includes of course the villains. Yes, you will lose your wish fulfillment story but you gain another beautiful story that is also deeply satisfying because it feels right. Even if a lot of people die, at least it doesn't feel like plot armor cheating death like in episode three where basically all characters would have died if it would have been played out realistically.

                                                                          For some reason people in Hollywood cannot differentiate between "ruin the thing" and "subverting expectations" anymore and conflate those two. They "snoked" the night king in midst the season and then made Cersei and Dany the next villains where none could compare to that very villain that they build up over seven seasons - and they either could not see that or didn't care. If what D&D did is any indication of what they will write for their Star Wars trilogy I can only say: #skip

                                                                          • Matti Kauppinen
                                                                            Matti Kauppinen  4 months back

                                                                            HBO gave them permission to do at least 10 more likely 13 seasons

                                                                            • Victor Miel
                                                                              Victor Miel  4 months back

                                                                              What sucks, is how dismissive and blahzay HBO has been in regard to negative fan reaction. They simply moved on and don't seem to give two-shts, save unleashing their spin doctors throughout the internet to convince us how the ending was actually great.

                                                                              • ComaBerenices
                                                                                ComaBerenices  4 months back

                                                                                "Game of Thrones is going out fighting. So will its audience." - Wow, very powerful title by The New York Times.

                                                                                • Jeff Segal
                                                                                  Jeff Segal  4 months back

                                                                                  Excellent analysis!

                                                                                  • Krystal Smith
                                                                                    Krystal Smith  4 months back

                                                                                    I hated it. I was disappointing from the Hollywood dany/Jon dragon loveride and on. I tried so hard to like and shut up my critical husband but after episode 3 I could no longer defend it. It just sucks they half assed it the way they did. That’s exactly what it was half assed. They were too worried about the shock value and the big budget to make the story make sense.

                                                                                    • KceeKit
                                                                                      KceeKit  5 months back

                                                                                      It was so disappointing & disrespectful😒😣😒

                                                                                      • vidaldiddy
                                                                                        vidaldiddy  5 months back

                                                                                        The way they killed the ending it made it hard for the rewatchability....

                                                                                        • Rey 88
                                                                                          Rey 88  5 months back

                                                                                          vidaldiddy thatsbthe really sad thing, I have rewatched the series many times but after season 8 I can’t bring myself to

                                                                                      • Alopias pelagicus
                                                                                        Alopias pelagicus  5 months back

                                                                                        I like this but SW fans really are toxic..